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0 =Brick  2 x  8
0 Name: 93888.dat
0 Author: Michael Heidemann [mikeheide]
0 !LDRAW_ORG Unofficial_Part Alias
0 !LICENSE Redistributable under CCAL version 2.0 : see CAreadme.txt

0 BFC CERTIFY CCW

0 !HISTORY 2013-12-14 [mikeheide] initial creation
0 !HISTORY 2013-12-24 [MMR1988] made it an alias of 3007.dat

0 !HELP Difference to real life part: Side walls at real parts are
0 !HELP 1.2 mm thick with thickenings of 0.4 mm to get the required
0 !HELP thickness of 1.6 mm for generating enough friction in combination
0 !HELP with top studs. (Note: the thickenings have the same high
0 !HELP as a sidewall and are 0.6 mm wide and 0.4 mm thick)

Status:
Needs more votes. (X)
Size: 704 bytes

Reviewers' certifications:

MMR1988=novote
MagFors=novote
Steffen=novote

Required (unofficial) subfiles:

parts/3007.dat

Brick 2 x 8

Certified! (ACCF)

Events

Related (unofficial) files:
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File reviews and updates:

At Sat Dec 14 10:20:04 2013, the file was initially submitted.
Submitted by: mikeheide
Comments:
Found at http://www.digital-bricks.de/en/index.php?site=lddp&mg=201

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At Sat Dec 14 10:25:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
Reinforcement should be capitalized ;-)

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At Sat Dec 14 10:40:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: hold
Comments:
I checked my collection...
Even the old 3007 brick has these reinforcements...
But I'm unsure what TLG changed, because I only own the old 3007 brick...
Maybe they modified the side walls, as they did with most of the bricks?! 3 LDU Wall + 1 LDU extension by a "box"

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At Sun Dec 15 14:50:15 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
I checked my collection of bricks, here is the result:
All new bricks with a side of 2 or more bricks are not only alias parts.
They have a different side then we model: 1.2 mm + a small box of 0.4 mm to get the 1.6 mm
Here is a picture, where both versions are compared:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/MMR88/LDraw/1461099_10202004713017105_934003726_n_zpsc4aaa38b.jpg

What to do now?

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At Sun Dec 15 15:20:20 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
Hmmm...
You are right. This is another mold.
I came to the conclusion of alias part based on the 3D data available.
It's a difficult question what to do.
On one side this different internal geometry might allow different building technics than the old one. From design point of view, you will need less material and a little more for the forms. So at the end this will reduce the costs producing that parts. But should we model this?
I think we should not, but we should add some comment to that parts (alias) where we describe the difference in real parts.

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At Sun Dec 15 15:40:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: novote
Comments:
I think that Mike's proposal is pretty sensible. Keep things simple as of today, but keep the record of difference if ever it is needed.

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At Sun Dec 15 16:30:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
I really like Mikes idea.
But we need to do this for all 2 x .. bricks with a five digit DesignID...
I think it was a clever way from TLG to save material...(And nearly nobody cares about this) :-D

/Max

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At Sun Dec 15 17:00:08 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: hold
Comments:
I have to hold, because without the note it should not be released :)

What about the wording for the comment, so that we understand in 5 years what we wanted to say?
Suggestion:
Difference to real life part: sidewall is 1.2 mm to jam with studs a small box of 0.4 mm depth and width is used to get the 1.6 mm (4LDU)

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At Sun Dec 15 17:25:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: hold
Comments:
My suggestion:
Difference to real life part: side walls at real parts are 1.2 mm thick with small thickenings of 0.4 mm to get the required thickness of 1.6 mm for generating enough friction in combination with top studs.

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At Sun Dec 15 17:40:11 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: hold
Comments:
I like your suggestion, but without the width of the boxes we can not create that boxes later on. Please substitude the word "small" with the dimension you can measure.

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At Sun Dec 15 17:55:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
Difference to real life part: Side walls at real parts are 1.2 mm thick with thickenings of 0.4 mm to get the required thickness of 1.6 mm for generating enough friction in combination with top studs. (Note: the thickenings have the same high as a sidewall and are 0.6 mm wide and 0.4 mm thick)

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At Sun Dec 15 18:20:05 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: mikeheide
Comments:
All correct now?

Existing certification-votes were deleted.
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At Sun Dec 15 19:25:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
Some more lines for the comment would be great.
And "with Reinforcement" should be deleted, cause the old 3007 already has this reinforcement.
I'll correct all the 2 by x files as soon as possible...(and add a comment for the newer "alias" files)

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At Sun Dec 15 20:30:06 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
I've opened a new thread in the forum, about the brick problems:
http://forums.ldraw.org/read.php?19,11183,11183#msg-11183

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At Sun Dec 15 22:25:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
I have looked into the book from Gary Istok and you are right. This version of the 2 x 8 Brick is the only that has been made with tubes. So this design should be applied to 3007.dat and this one should be an alias of that file.

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At Tue Dec 24 12:00:08 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: hold
Comments:
holding for that reason

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At Tue Dec 24 12:05:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: hold
Comments:
I'll fix it...

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At Tue Dec 24 13:45:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
Thanks for fixing :)

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At Tue Dec 24 14:10:06 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: MMR1988
Comments:
Done...

Existing certification-votes were deleted.
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At Fri Dec 27 10:15:08 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
Who is Gary Istok, and what book are you looking at?


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At Fri Dec 27 10:25:01 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
Mike is referencing to this book:
http://legocollectorsguide.weebly.com/

Sometimes some pages are posted by Gary in the German LEGO Forum of 1000steine.de

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At Fri Dec 27 11:35:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
here is some more info about that.
funny: obviously some images I had uploaded to peeron
(e.g. of the white 12V 2x2 light bricks) have now made it into that book...
http://questforbricks.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/the-unofficial-lego-setsparts-collectors-guide-1949-1990/

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At Fri Dec 27 11:50:04 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
I've created a forum thread for collecting such information.
the PT is too volatile for this
http://forums.ldraw.org/read.php?19,11401,11401#msg-11401

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At Fri Dec 27 12:25:07 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
Thanks, Steffen. I've never seen his work before. Impressive.

Following your link to Brickset I found this:
"And in Chapter 49, there are several links to a webpage listing the vast number of mold types for LEGO bricks, especially the 2x4 brick (last check over 40 mold types!)."

Do you know what page that might bee?


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At Tue Dec 31 05:50:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
no, I do not havr that book.

regarding this file:
I cannot understand the !HELP section.
Its wording is exhaustive but to me confusing.
Can this be said more compact and clearer?

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At Tue Dec 31 15:25:05 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
@Steffen: maybe...
Feel free to change! :-)

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At Tue Dec 31 15:35:15 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
I can't! I don't understand it! :)

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At Tue Dec 31 15:55:05 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
@Steffen: You've got mail...


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