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0 Door  1 x  4 x  6 Smooth with Chamfered Handle Plinth
0 Name: 60616b.dat
0 Author: Santeri Piippo [arezey]
0 !LDRAW_ORG Unofficial_Part
0 !LICENSE Redistributable under CCAL version 2.0 : see CAreadme.txt

0 !HELP To place the glass on 30179.dat, have it +/-32LDU on the X-axis
0 !HELP and +/-6 LDU on the Z-axis relative to the door to place it correctly.

0 !HELP To place the glass on 60596.dat, have it +/-32LDU on the X-axis
0 !HELP and 5 LDU on the Z-axis relative to the door to place it correctly.

0 !HELP Stud is at 57,70,3.75/-3.75

0 BFC CERTIFY CCW

0 !KEYWORDS glass

0 !HISTORY 2008-12-20 {LEGO Universe Team} Original part shape
0 !HISTORY 2009-04-10 [arezey] File preparation for LDraw Parts Tracker
0 !HISTORY 2013-04-03 [MMR1988] rewritten from scratch due to bad dimensions
0 !HISTORY 2013-04-17 [MMR1988] Used hinge subfile
0 !HISTORY 2014-01-05 [bsupnik] corrected HELP comment on correct placement
0 !HISTORY 2014-07-05 [MagFors] corrected HELP comment on correct placement

Status:
Needs more votes. (X)
Size: 2913 bytes

Reviewers' certifications:
(no current reviews for this file)

Required (unofficial) subfiles:

parts/s/60616s01.dat

~Door 1 x 4 x 6 Smooth Hinge

Certified! (ACCX)

Events

Related (unofficial) files:
(none)

File reviews and updates:

At Fri Apr 10 21:34:07 2009, the file was initially submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
As much as I hate that !HELP line there, I chose to have it; it's a dilemma between either easy rotation (to have the door be also open) or coordinates, I chose rotation. A solution to the problem would be if 30179.dat would be translated +33LDU on the X-axis.

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At Fri Apr 10 21:40:20 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
Oh, and the part was reduced to 46.6% of the original in the process. ;)

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At Fri Apr 10 21:58:01 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
I think you have to shift the origin in z direction 2 or 3 LDU to have the origin at the rotation point of the door.

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At Fri Apr 10 22:16:03 2009, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
Now I see it too... moved it 2LDU, and also -1LDU on Y axis to make it fit.

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At Fri Apr 10 22:38:02 2009, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
Resized part to fit the door in Y-axis and moved origin in Z-axis so that it's hopefully right now.

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At Sat Apr 11 08:04:03 2009, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
Hrm... but if the origin is somewhere else then rotation screws up; I'd like this door to be able to be opened!

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At Sat Apr 11 09:16:02 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: hold
Comments:
The origin seems good to me. But...

- disk below bottom hinge point is BFC backwards
- missing edge lines on top of the hinges cylinders where they meet the door
- "-8LDU on the Z-axis" is no longer needed in the help

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At Sat Apr 11 09:56:01 2009, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
Fixed.

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At Sat Apr 11 10:28:01 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: novote
Comments:
Great!
one last thing - "Glass for Door 1 x 4 x 6" should read "Glass for Door 1 x 4 x 6" (with one more space before numbers)

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At Sat Apr 11 11:12:07 2009, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
Added whitespaces. OK now? :-)

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At Sat Apr 11 13:22:01 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
The edgelines on the side of the door where the doorknop is seems to be unnecessary as the doorknop also reaches the end of the door.

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At Sat Apr 11 13:30:04 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
Uhhh... I thought the edgelines were already split?

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At Sat Apr 11 14:52:00 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: novote
Comments:
> Uhhh... I thought the edgelines were already split?
Yes, but the box5 do have an edge line! (use a box4 and a quad). That said it doesn't look bad with the lines, but I agree with Mike it would be even better without.

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At Sat Apr 11 19:54:01 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
> Yes, but the box5 do have an edge line! (use a box4 and a quad). That said it doesn't look bad with the lines, but I agree with Mike it would be even better without.

Sorry but I still can't see the issue..

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At Sat Apr 11 20:14:05 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
Why not? You have told us you have split the long edgelines to leave them out where the doorknop is. That is very good and you have done it very well. For the doorknop portion on both sides you use box5.dat. box5.dat has ALL edgelines, that means that you have also edgeline where you have split the long edgelines. But in my eyes there should not be an edgeline here as the surface of the door side and the surface of the doorknop from both sides are on the same level (x value). If you would use instead box5 the box4-1 and an additional quad then you have what I am looking for.
(ldview commandline: -DefaultMatrix=0.0772006,0.214171,0.973741,0.0638499,0.973588,-0.2192,-0.994969,0.0790958,0.0614864 -DefaultZoom=2.59415)

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At Sat Apr 11 20:42:11 2009, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
Ahhh, *now* I see it. Sorry, but my brain just doesn't work at times. :-/

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At Sat Apr 11 21:16:04 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
Yes, you found what I try to explain. I would like to certify, but you created t-junctions that shows strange lines if I look this file with LDView. I think you know what t-junctions are, so I do not explain more here now.

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At Sun Apr 12 07:14:02 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: novote
Comments:
The problem is not so much T junctions (that might nonetheless be an issue) but the main surface of the door that bleeds on door side where the edge lines were removed. To avoid that you must remove door surface below the box4.

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At Sun Apr 12 08:20:03 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
Yes I noticed the bleed and am working on it, though I can't see the T-junction elsewhere than in the box primitive itself...

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At Sun Apr 12 09:20:03 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: novote
Comments:
See http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/Misc/60616.png
T junctions are in red, to avoid them you need to split the yellow quad along blue lines (but though better, not sure it is really necessary here)

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At Sun Apr 12 13:50:11 2009, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
Hmm... fixed(?)

We need a program that would check for T-junctions. :-)

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At Sun Apr 12 14:12:01 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: novote
Comments:
> Hmm... fixed(?)
Well... no: you replaced vertical T junctions with horizontal ones! See http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/Misc/60616-2.png . Top shows artifact caused by T junction. Bottom shows the grey quad that need to be split in 3 parts along T junctions.

> We need a program that would check for T-junctions. :-)
I have a new version of Edger cooking that will be able to do that...

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At Mon Apr 13 15:06:10 2009, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
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At Mon Apr 13 15:18:00 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: certify
Comments:
Great!

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At Mon Apr 13 15:20:03 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Sun Sep 27 21:40:03 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
One of the studs has a mirrored logo,
can easily be corrected by adjusting that stud's matrix.

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At Mon Sep 28 04:54:02 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
... and kill two certify votes with that?

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At Mon Sep 28 20:28:25 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
I would immediately certify after the correction.
There'll for sure be another one (philo? mike?) who would join
me quickly. I don't think that we should establish a habit
of refraining from correcting parts just because they got two votes.
I also suffer from the long time parts sit here, but this is not
due to lacking certifications, but was due to the lack of Admin
reviews and part update publications. Some of my parts are sitting
here on the PT now for over 6 years. Some of them even having 2 certify votes.


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At Mon Sep 28 21:10:52 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
Then you might just as well submit a Fix to the part once it's out, just like how you did to the Rope Bridge. The stud logos aren't official, so the mirrored logo won't be seen to the majority of the users (my assumption, but I can be wrong, though..)

I agree that we shouldn't make a habit of restraining small fixes due to certify votes, but to clear that we need to make a habit of really returning to certify the parts once held, and returning to re-certify the votes overturned! Before that, I feel really uneasy about fixing the stud logo...

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At Mon Sep 28 21:20:06 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
And yes, we need more admin reviews in here! Steve Bliss recently reappeared in LUGNET, maybe we could get him return here to give Chris a hand?

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At Thu Oct 8 12:34:03 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: hold
Comments:
This is not really "Glass for Door ...", it is a door in its own right. It needs a qualifier to distinguish it from the existing "Door 1 x 4 x 6". Please post suggestions here rather than upload a new version and destroy the certify votes.

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At Sun Oct 11 07:58:01 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
How about 'Door Glassy 1 x 4 x 6' ?

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At Sun Oct 11 09:08:47 2009, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: novote
Comments:
"Glassy" is just a colour. There is no reason why this could not be issued in a solid colour in future. What I would prefer is "Door 1 x 4 x 6 ......". This whole new (2008) generation of door and windows might deserve an identifier of its own.

It might be necessary to also add a "Ridged" or "Planked" qualifier to 3644.

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At Sun Jul 17 10:10:04 2011, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: Steffen
Comments:
unmirrored stud

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At Sun Jul 17 16:30:11 2011, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
I would prefer:
"Door 1 x 4 x 6 Glassy"
as with this title the sort order is better IMHO.

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At Mon Jul 18 22:20:03 2011, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
May I suggest this: "Glassdoor for Door 1 x 4 x 6", and adding a "!CATEGORY Door".
There is nothing that prevents us from assuming that a door in a solid colour, isn't made of glass.

A solid red glassdoor...;)



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At Tue Jul 19 18:45:07 2011, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
I do not like that suggestion at all.
I think we treat things too complicated here.
When you look at this part's geometry in the top right corner,
what do you see?
A Door.
Other files will add a frameI do not like that suggestion.
I think we treat things too complicated here.
When you look at this part's geometry in the top right corner,
what do you see?
A Door.

We should not add the material "Glass" here in any way IMHO.


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At Fri Jan 6 01:10:02 2012, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: hold
Comments:
maybe I'm wrong above with that Glass/Door naming issue,
I'll like whatever the compromise is.

however, I just spotted that there are holes at this part
at the top side of the bottom hinge.
they can be seen best when doing the BFC-check of this part (red/green).
you see red holes there

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At Mon Mar 11 21:30:04 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: mikeheide
Comments:
Changed part description according suggestion, added category like suggested. No other changes are made as I can not see any red surface here.

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At Mon Mar 11 22:55:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: anathema
Certification: novote
Comments:
'Glassdoor' is not in fact a word...

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At Tue Mar 12 15:30:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: hold
Comments:
I see red faces on bfc-mode, too.
Please have a deeper look here:
1 4 0 130.75 0 0 0 -3.75 0 1 0 3.75 0 0 2-4disc.dat

BTW: This is a transparent part, so I would really like to see no faces inside the part.
The top and bottom connectors should be changed. I mention again this line:
1 4 0 130.75 0 0 0 -3.75 0 1 0 3.75 0 0 2-4disc.dat
The area around this should be done in another way without inside surfaces.

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At Tue Mar 12 16:05:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
Ok, now I see this tiny red holes. It would be a good idea to mention the size of zooming :)

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At Tue Mar 12 17:25:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
OK, "Glassdoor" might be swenglish.
Don't understand why it isn't a word. I have created it, therefore it must exist... ;-)
Do you have an even better suggestion?


Tiny holes? They are so large that you can crawl into them yourself.....

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At Tue Mar 12 17:45:04 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: anathema
Certification: novote
Comments:
The English name for a door of this type would usually be "Plate Glass", although given that the part also comes in white I wouldn't be keen to call it a glass anything.

BrickLink simply calls it "Door 1 x 4 x 6 with Stud Handle".

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At Wed Mar 13 08:05:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: novote
Comments:
This is not really "Glassdoor ...". It is a door in its own right, but just happens to have only been issued in transparent. It could appear in an opaque colour. All it needs is a qualifier to distinguish it from the existing "Door 1 x 4 x 6".

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At Wed Mar 13 16:35:08 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
Ok, what's about: "Door 1 x 4 x 6 Frameless"

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At Wed Mar 13 18:05:05 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: anathema
Certification: novote
Comments:
The vast majority of Lego doors do not have frames. There's nothing special about this one.

What's wrong with the BrickLink name?

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At Wed Mar 13 20:35:05 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: hold
Comments:
I like the Bricklink name.
@Mike: are you working on this part?

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At Wed Mar 13 22:30:13 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
No, not yet started. If you like to takeover the things that's needs to be done I would be glad :)

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At Wed Mar 13 22:40:04 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: hold
Comments:
Yes, but please give me a couple of days.

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At Thu Mar 14 08:20:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: novote
Comments:
I'm OK with the Bricklink name "Door 1 x 4 x 6 with Stud Handle", but would prefer to then add a qualifier to 3644 -
"Door 1 x 4 x 6 Ridged"
"Door 1 x 4 x 6 Planked"
"Door 1 x 4 x 6 with ??? Handle"

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At Thu Mar 14 20:00:06 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: hold
Comments:
I would like "Door 1 x 4 x 6 Planked" for that door.

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At Thu Mar 14 20:35:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: anathema
Certification: novote
Comments:
Again, 'planked' isn't an English word; but it also implies wood and as the door was produced in transparent as well as opaque colours I'm not sure it should be described as such.

'Grooved' gets my vote :-)


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At Fri Mar 15 09:30:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: hold
Comments:
Does anybody own this part? I'm looking for pictures of the hinge area (it's wrong modelled in LDD) and a picture of the stud area would also be nice.

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At Fri Mar 15 16:30:05 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: novote
Comments:
I think the stud area is OK but the hinges need work.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LEGO/60616.jpg

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At Thu Apr 4 21:20:02 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: MMR1988
Comments:
I'm still not sure about the name. Please feel free to change the name, if you want.

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At Thu Apr 4 21:35:05 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: anathema
Certification: novote
Comments:
Well, 'grooved' certainly doesn't apply to this door! ;-)


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At Fri Apr 5 07:15:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
Feel free to upload with a better name ;-)

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At Fri Apr 5 17:15:07 2013 a Parts Tracker Admin edited the header.
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At Fri Apr 5 17:20:07 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: hold
Comments:
Edited description Grooved --> Smooth.
The step around the stud handle is not chamfered on my real-life version.

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At Fri Apr 5 21:00:06 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
Not mine either.

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At Sat Apr 6 05:45:04 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
I got all data (and some pictures) by a friend.
Here is the picture, on which you can clearly see, that this area is sloped.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/MMR88/LDraw/60616_real_zpsb82a3493.jpg

It seems, that at least two different moulds exist.

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At Tue Apr 16 11:25:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
bump

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At Wed Apr 17 08:42:57 2013 part 'parts/60616.dat' was renamed to 'parts/60616b.dat'.
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At Wed Apr 17 08:45:05 2013 a Parts Tracker Admin edited the header.
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At Wed Apr 17 08:45:07 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: novote
Comments:
Renamed to 60616b, to leave 60616a for the square plinth version.

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At Wed Apr 17 09:00:09 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
Great. Thanks! I'm the opinion that the square handle plinth is exactly 20x20 LDU, right? I will prepare this file asap.

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At Wed Apr 17 09:25:03 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: MMR1988
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At Wed Apr 17 12:10:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: novote
Comments:
Yes, 20LDu x 20Ldu.

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At Thu Apr 25 16:25:04 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Thu Oct 10 06:10:04 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
Please the the discussion about the origin in the forum:
http://forums.ldraw.org/read.php?19,10258,10258#msg-10258

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At Mon Jan 6 15:45:06 2014, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: bsupnik
Comments:
Fixes help tip per discussion here:
http://forums.ldraw.org/read.php?19,10258,11653#msg-11653

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At Mon Jan 6 20:00:23 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Mon Jan 13 20:20:07 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: hold
Comments:

I have to hold this until this issue is cleared
http://forums.ldraw.org/read.php?19,10258,12034#msg-12034
The help info isn't complete/correct

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At Sat Jul 5 12:40:07 2014, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: MagFors
Comments:

Corrected the help info.
The added info is based on the design of the door 30178c01.
The only logical placement of the holes are at x=+/-32 and z=+/-6
If it were up to me, I would remove the info, but I don't want to remove what Max and Ben have added.


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