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File Header:

0 Technic Shield  5 x  5 with Wrench
0 Name: 41659.dat
0 Author: Santeri Piippo [arezey]
0 !LDRAW_ORG Unofficial_Part
0 !LICENSE Redistributable under CCAL version 2.0 : see CAreadme.txt

0 BFC CERTIFY CCW

0 !KEYWORDS Bionicle

Status:
Certified! (ACCX)
Size: 176309 bytes

Reviewers' certifications:

MagFors=certify
cwdee=certify
mikeheide=certify

Required (unofficial) subfiles:
(none)

Related (unofficial) files:
(none)

File reviews and updates:

At Sun Dec 30 11:14:27 2007, the file was initially submitted.
Submitted by: mikeheide
Comments:
I submit this because my hard disc has errors and I had lost it for some time. Everbody is invited to improve.

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At Fri Jan 14 00:55:11 2011, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
illegal header
0 Unofficial Model


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At Wed Dec 28 18:25:02 2011, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: hold
Comments:
(holding for invalid header)

I think this should be retitled to be something with "Dish...".
It _can_ be used as a Bionicle shield, but also for many other things ;-)


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At Sun Apr 7 22:10:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: technog
Certification: hold
Comments:
Name is ok, note the mockup.
The dish shape is for reference only and does not represent actual appearance.
IMO, part mockups this rough should not be submitted.


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At Mon Apr 8 20:30:08 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: certify
Comments:
"part mockups this rough should not be submitted"
I had hard disc problems at that time and submitted what I had so far at that time. Sorry. But placement of axle and pegholes are correct. :)

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At Mon Apr 8 21:05:05 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
@Mike: You shouldn't certify your own mockup ;-)

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At Sun Apr 28 02:10:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: technog
Certification: hold
Comments:
Name should be;
0 Technic Shield 5 x 5 with Wrench
add;
0 !KEYWORDS Bionicle

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At Sun Jan 5 03:10:02 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: hold
Comments:
may I request that this be deleted?
the mockup is so rough that it makes not really sense having it here on tbe PT.

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At Mon Apr 21 20:05:04 2014, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Existing certification-votes were deleted.
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At Mon Apr 21 20:30:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
The only are that confuses me a bit is here:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/MMR88/LDraw/41659_zps4c16e12c.png~original

If the real part looks similiar, I'll cert here...

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At Mon Apr 21 20:50:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
Yes, it is rounded like that.

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At Tue Apr 22 06:05:02 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: certify
Comments:
Ok...

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At Tue Apr 22 11:00:09 2014, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
- removed some tiny extraneous edgeline
- corrected one of the edgelines in the underside
- changed name back to "with Wrench"

Existing certification-votes were deleted.
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At Tue Apr 22 19:20:04 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Wed Apr 23 13:40:04 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Sat Apr 26 15:45:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Sun Apr 27 13:20:04 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
I want to thank you, Santeri, for once again showing me that I should probably never ever try LdForge.
If the result is a file like this; with more than 200 unmatched edges, mostly t-junction, but many created by gaps,
edges that should be cond-lines and vice versa, complex areas made of tris and quads that could be replaced by a single quad,
and unwanted cond-lines across that areas, I'll most likely end up with a reslut like this file.

However, reviewer and admin seems to like the result, and I don't want to hold back a bad file just because I don't like it.
Thank you again. Please continue to develop LDForge. It sure needs it...


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At Sun Apr 27 14:05:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: novote
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Sun Apr 27 15:10:07 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: certify
Comments:
I just voted cert because I found this file to be ok for a first
iteration. I agree that unmatched lines, unnecessary condlines,
and unnecessary triangles where quads could be used etc.
should define our level of quality.
If improvements on this file are done, either now or on the next
iteration, I'll re-cert.

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At Sun Apr 27 15:25:02 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
The file looks okay to me. I cannot find any gaps no matter how hard I look and DATHeader is okay with it. Just because edger2 creates unmatched edges it doesn't mean there's actual gaps. Please post actual screenshots of actual problems in the file and complaining about problems which do not exist, and please stop spreading FUD. Your poisonous attitude doesn't help anybody at all.

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At Sun Apr 27 15:30:04 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
And I'd like to point out that it's not ldforge causing these unmatched edges. It's just me cutting some slight corners in order to actually get parts done. You do realize that these Bionicle parts are very complex models, right?

The model looks like the actual part and I see no obvious gaps even if I zoom in very near and DATHeader is fine with the part. I apply rectifier on the part to optimize it. If I'm suddenly required to ensure the mesh is absolutely perfect in order to get parts certified, maybe it's time I quit parts authoring for good. It's either this or nothing.

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At Sun Apr 27 15:55:02 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: certify
Comments:
@arezey
Thank you very much for your efforts in getting these parts done for all of us!!
But I have to inform you that DATHeader is not perfect in detecting gaps and unmatched edges. The best tool for that is really edger2 because it is the main purpose to handle edgelines :).
I follow Steffen that for first iteration this file is fine enough. It is not perfect, but I am not here to be perfect but having fun building :)

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At Sun Apr 27 16:45:02 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
>It is not perfect, but I am not here to be perfect but having fun building :)
This is pretty much my mindset here. The part is not perfect but it is acceptable and good enough. After all, who's really going to go out of their way to use edger2 and send me an angry letter that there's unmatched edges in my part files? I've yet to get such mail.

I made 44937.dat with exactly the same mindset as I've done the other two shields, and it luckily got released within a week before Magnus could get a chance to post another review about non-existing problems. I've yet to see a SINGLE complaint about the imperfections in that part, or in ANY of my parts in the library.

This part is fine. I spent some 40-50 hours of work modeling every single detail of this part to the most precise accuracy I can plausibly give. Voluntarily, in my free time, no less. If that is not good enough I don't know what to say.

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At Sun Apr 27 18:05:04 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: certify
Comments:
As I told you, for first iteration it is ok, but it has errors. But IMHO these should not stop the first release, as most people will not recognize these errors. I you like I can send a screenshot of the gap that I found (it is visible!).

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At Mon Apr 28 08:55:01 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: certify
Comments:
Looks like the real part. No blatant mistakes. That's all we need!
As a part author there are things that I wouldn't have done the same way, but it's more a matter of personal style, not THE TRUTH ;)

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At Mon Apr 28 11:45:01 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
Oh, whoopsie, I see a few missing edges now. Mike, could you get me a screenshot of that gap so I can pluck it as well?

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At Mon Apr 28 12:10:03 2014, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
- corrected several small edgeline shenanigans
- plucked a tiny gap toward the tip of the part on the underside
- fixed an overflowing surface on the underside
- removed an offending quad within the side-wall surface

Existing certification-votes were deleted.
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At Mon Apr 28 16:05:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: certify
Comments:
Now the gap is closed :) So no need to send a screenshot.

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At Mon Apr 28 18:10:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Mon Apr 28 22:50:02 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
Thank you for addressing some of the issues.
I still see some other that I think should be fixed.
I'll make some pictures tomorrow.




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At Tue Apr 29 20:25:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
Here is my picture:
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MagFors/LDraw/pictures/Errors/41659.png

You have allready found, and corrected, the missing edge-lines and the gap Mike found. Good.
Thoose missing edge-lines was the main trigger for my rant.

On that picture I have marked, with corresponding numbers:
1.)
There's a very sharpe angle between the triangles at the yellow line.
If the accute end of thoose triangles are moved to the corner it would be much smoother.
2.)
IMO, it should be an edge line here.
3.)
There's a long, thin quad on the inside of this corner.
It doesn't meet any of the surrounding vertices. At both ends.
4.)
Here's a thin gap.
5.)
Missing, or misplaced cond-lines.
6.)
Unwanted cond-lines across perfectly flat surfaces.



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At Sat Jun 21 06:30:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: novote
Comments:
I think this can be released with (Needs work). I don't want to put Magnus' brickshelf link in the file. How shold we make sure we don't lose that information?

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At Mon Jun 23 15:15:05 2014, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
fixed the issues

Existing certification-votes were deleted.
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At Mon Jun 23 21:55:02 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:

The only thing still bugging me is the cond-line here:
5 2 -18.753 -11 4.744 -20 -11 5.36 -25 -5 -3.3 -18.696 -11.127 5.031
5 4 -10.352 -11 1.364 -11.304 -11.121 1.969 -11.458 -11 1.739 -11 -11.818 3.5
The red line is missplaced. The green one is OK.

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At Tue Jun 24 00:20:02 2014, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
Added a missing conditional line and fixed a t-junction at the area. Edger 2 seems to be adamant about both the new conditional line and the one next to it..

Existing certification-votes were deleted.
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At Tue Jun 24 12:10:03 2014, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: arezey
Comments:
removed some extra conditional line

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At Sat Jun 28 16:10:21 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: certify
Comments:



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At Sat Jun 28 19:55:01 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: certify
Comments:
Line 1657: Flat subfile is scaled in flat direction 1 16 30.04 -3.5 14.818 0 11.1314 2.7007 -3.5 0 0 0 13.5034 -2.2263 4-4edge.dat
Line 1658: Flat subfile is scaled in flat direction 1 16 30.04 -3.5 14.818 0 14.3118 1.9291 -2.5 0 0 0 17.3616 -1.5902 4-4edge.dat

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At Sun Jun 29 07:55:02 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.


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