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0 Technic Bionicle Torso  1 x  5 x  2 with  3 Pins and  6 Pegholes
0 Name: 32577.dat
0 Author: Taylor Bangs [DoomTay]
0 !LDRAW_ORG Unofficial_Part
0 !LICENSE Redistributable under CCAL version 2.0 : see CAreadme.txt

0 !KEYWORDS Matoran, body

0 BFC CERTIFY CCW

Status:
1 subfile isn't certified. (CCCCSX)
Size: 31654 bytes

Reviewers' certifications:

MMR1988=certify
MagFors=certify
arezey=certify
mikeheide=certify

Required (unofficial) subfiles:

parts/s/32577s01.dat

~Technic Bionicle Body Segment Subpart

Needs admin review. (CCCX)

Events

Related (unofficial) files:
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File reviews and updates:

At Fri Feb 22 00:15:03 2013, the file was initially submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Yes, this is much incomplete. I put this up here to establish that I have taken up this part. If the detail proportions are considered satisfactory, more serious gap-filling and primitive substitution will commence afterwards

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At Fri Feb 22 00:45:04 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Removed the "ROTATION" header bits and slimmed down some decimals

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At Fri Feb 22 08:35:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: novote
Comments:
Good luck with that, it's a tricky one! I think that cylinders around top pegholes are too big, should probably be around 9ldu radius.

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At Fri Feb 22 16:00:05 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
I also started for this quite a while back, but never finished. I like your work so far. Please go ahead :)

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At Tue Feb 26 02:35:02 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Some proportional modifications and began gap-filling. Also, added a subpart

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At Wed Feb 27 22:40:03 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Moved the outer pegs, fixed a side quad issue, added more lines and replaced a subpart lines with a different kind of primitive

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At Tue Mar 19 01:20:13 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Some proportional reworkings and continued gap fillings. Next step will be to convert the side pipes into primitives

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At Tue Mar 19 01:35:16 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Forgot to remove some extra lines

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At Tue Mar 19 16:30:06 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
Looks already quite good.
DATHeader reports currently the following errors:
Line 456: Colinear vertices found. 4 16 -12.4862 29.0979 -10 -20.2 32.8674 -10 -18.1172 36.198 -10 -15.5 32.898 -10
Line 460: Colinear vertices found. 4 16 -18.1172 36.198 10 -20.2 32.8674 10 -12.4862 29.098 10 -15.5 32.898 10
Line 460: Concave quads found. 4 16 -18.1172 36.198 10 -20.2 32.8674 10 -12.4862 29.098 10 -15.5 32.898 10
Line 590: Colinear vertices found. 4 16 12.4862 29.098 10 20.2 32.8674 10 18.1172 36.198 10 15.5 32.898 10
Line 590: Concave quads found. 4 16 12.4862 29.098 10 20.2 32.8674 10 18.1172 36.198 10 15.5 32.898 10
Line 593: Colinear vertices found. 4 16 18.1172 36.198 -10 20.2 32.8674 -10 12.4862 29.0979 -10 15.5 32.898 -10

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At Thu Aug 29 02:10:04 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Side pipes now use primitives, also reflects change in new primitive part name.

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At Sun Sep 1 21:05:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: hold
Comments:
has lots of gaps, easily visible when viewing in red/green BFC mode

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At Sat Nov 16 10:05:01 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: hold
Comments:
Side pipes are not symetrically.

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At Thu Nov 28 01:15:05 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Another update. Not only has the side pipes issue been rectified, but I have applied numerous proportional reworkings and primitive substitution. Also, just about all of the gaps are filled.

All that is left is to "drill out" the bottom holes completely, get circular corners into four sharp corners, and apply edge rings to where the side pipes touch the top and bottom.

I am also considering moving the origin of the part to either the middle hole or the bottom.

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At Thu Nov 28 08:50:05 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: hold
Comments:
this is just a hold vote to prevent this work in progress
showing up in my review todo list

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At Fri Nov 29 00:45:02 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
And with some final edge adding and doing a little something to make the pegs more accurate, this part is finally finished

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At Fri Nov 29 01:15:02 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Oops, forgot to add some other edges. Now this is finished unless I should revert to the old pegs, convert the newer pegs into subparts, move the origin, or something else

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At Fri Nov 29 10:25:01 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: novote
Comments:
The part looks good overall (and it's a tough one!), origin looks good to me.
There are many overlaps on top surface (and below in the round corners). I don't mind that much since it's on a flat surface so they don't cause havoc (and part is not transparent), but here they are easy to avoid (hint: you should use 1-4chrd primitive in the round corners to avoid overlap there). See http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/Misc/325771.png
There are some missing edge lines (arrows) and bleeding surfaces (quads too big below surface that should be trimmed to exact dimensions, showing as bright lines when seen at an angle). See http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/Misc/325772.png


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At Sun Dec 1 12:30:13 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: certify
Comments:
This is indeed a great part. Thanks for building that. The currently minor issues (overlapping quads) should be solved if possible. Otherwise this part looks great.

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At Sun Dec 1 19:30:05 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
yes, a complicated part and very good work.
there indeed are some edgelines missing, for example
- inside the 3 top connectors
- vertical lines at where the side quads touch this cylinder 1 4 0 25.6 0 9 0 0 0 10.8 0 0 0 9 4-4cylo.dat


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At Tue Dec 3 03:20:03 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
I have rectified the missing edgelines, "bleeding" edges, and overlapping quads issues to the best of my ability. Some of the bleeding edges, however, ma not be fixable and, in fact, may be caused by the renderer instead of the file. I have also attempted a somewhat more viable means of filling in the front and back

Also, in the interest of keeping filesize low, I have made the altered connector parts into a subfile.

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At Tue Dec 3 03:20:03 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
...and yet again I forgot to take out the MLCad header stuff

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At Tue Dec 3 09:10:08 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: novote
Comments:
I don't want to hold this file, if somebody wants to cert it, but in my eyes there are still to much bleedings. And no, it is not the renderer, but yes, it's hard to solve some of them. But as long as this part is only available in solid colours there or some ways to get rid of them.

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At Tue Dec 3 17:05:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: hold
Comments:
I need to hold for:
Line 410: '0 Wrong BFC command found. : 0 BFC CERTIFY INVERTNEXT
Line 453: '0 Wrong BFC command found. : 0 BFC CERTIFY INVERTNEXT
Line 464: '0 Wrong BFC command found. : 0 BFC CERTIFY INVERTNEXT
Line 476: '0 Wrong BFC command found. : 0 BFC CERTIFY INVERTNEXT

Additionally if i look from the buttom there is still at one end the last triangle that is a double surface and should be removed.

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At Tue Dec 3 19:10:05 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
The "lone triangle" has been removed, and the INVERTNEXT lines have been fixed. Also, I have attempted a few more leak fixes

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At Tue Dec 3 19:45:10 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
I decided to fix four of the "bleeding" edges by replacing primitives with pairs of quads

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At Fri Dec 6 15:40:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
Most impressive!

The part looks very very good to me, however I have a couple of thoughts:
- the pegholes are connected by torii to the main body. This means there's no edge-lines between the pegholes and the main body, which IMO looks quite odd in a no-lighting environment.
- if I turn on random colors in LDView and zoom a bit in default orientation I see two symmetric artifacts on the beside the abdomen. Looks as if they were lines or bleed-ins..? Not throwing a hold because they do not show up in non-random-color environment.
- I question the placement of the origin. It seems to be going by the origin rule we have for bricks but it does not apply for Technic parts. I'd place it in the middle peg-hole just below the current origin.

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At Fri Dec 6 15:45:07 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
Oh, another thing:
- I also find the title of the part quite vague. Bionicle has various body segments (32489, 47305, 50925, 44810, 53545, and there's a lot more). Perhaps "Technic Bionicle Torso 1 x 5 x 2 with Pins and Pegholes" would be more descriptive?


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At Fri Dec 6 16:00:10 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: novote
Comments:
Changing origin as mentioned by Arezey would indeed be more flexible (but present origin is not so bad either!)

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At Fri Dec 6 16:40:06 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
I also would like to see this with another title like suggested.

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At Sat Dec 7 02:50:06 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
what about
Technic Bionicle Torso 1 x 5 x 2 with 3 Pins and 2 Pegholes

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At Sat Dec 7 08:45:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
I can not think that there will be a better name :)

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At Sat Dec 7 20:25:02 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
Steffen's suggested title sounds good to me too.

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At Sun Dec 8 01:10:01 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: DoomTay
Certification: novote
Comments:
The torii are really simply there for accuracy, as the transition from peg to body is somewhat smooth. I decided to look at instructions to see how the matter is officially handled, and noticed a strange thing: the pegs are represented with actual collars. I am wondering if I should modify the part accordingly, thus rendering another specific subpart useless

Sadly, there is not much I can do about the bleed-ins, if they are caused by the 5-16 circular parts, ans they are necessary to fill in small gaps

As for the name, I agree that it could be a little more specific. In fact, I want to indicate the kind of character it is intended for, though I am unsure whether to use "Tohunga" or "Matoran". Bricklink seems to have chose the former path.

I agree the origin should be changed, but I was thinking of moving it to the bottom of the part.

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At Sun Dec 8 10:05:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: novote
Comments:
"I'd place it in the middle peg-hole just below the current origin."
That is IMHO the right place for the origin.
For the part description, please do not use original usage in the title, as often it is only the first apperiance of a part and the part can be used anywhere else. Those words in the keywords are perfect.

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At Sun Dec 8 19:00:09 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Moved the origin to the center hole, added keywords, and added new title

After taking a closer look at the part, I am tempted to make the top half narrower at the sides. However, this would make it impossible to cover up the top and bottom faces without overlap. Thoughts?

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At Sun Dec 8 20:25:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: hold
Comments:
mlcad relicts

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At Sun Dec 8 22:25:04 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Sorry about that. I don't know why I keep slipping up on that.

Also, I have done a bit of optimization on the top.

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At Mon Dec 9 22:20:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
Just noting that Lego had officially dropped and retconned the term "Tohunga" out in favor of "Matoran" over a lawsuit because it was a Maori word. I'd prefer "Matoran" to be a keyword instead of "Tohunga".

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At Mon Dec 9 23:30:03 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
Something like this could eliminate the bleeding cyli.

1 14 20 16.2 0 -3.4442 0 -8.3149 0 14.4 0 8.3149 0 -3.4442 3-8cyli.dat
1 14 20 16.2 0 3.4442 0 8.3149 0 14.4 0 -8.3149 0 3.4442 3-8cyli.dat
3 12 16.556 30.6 -8.315 16.556 16.2 -8.315 18.361 27.4 -8.674
3 10 23.444 16.2 -8.315 23.444 30.6 -8.315 21.4139 22.799 -8.72
5 4 16.556 16.2 -8.315 16.556 30.6 -8.315 20 16.2 -9 13.636 16.2 -6.364
5 4 23.444 16.2 -8.315 23.444 30.6 -8.315 26.364 16.2 -6.364 20 16.2 -9




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At Tue Dec 10 20:50:14 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Implemented MagFors's suggestion, with some modifications

Also changed one of the keywords to "Matoran". I knew about the whole name change thing, but I still wasn't sure whether it was appropriate to use the old name for parts like this one

Kind of ironic that it is after I remove the "Needs Work" tag that I do all this tweaking.

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At Tue Dec 10 21:40:11 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
Sorry, I missed the bleeding quads here too:
2 4 1.8 27.4 10 -1.8 27.4 10
2 4 1.8 23.8 10 -1.8 23.8 10
2 4 1.8 20.2 10 -1.8 20.2 10
2 4 1.8 16.6 10 -1.8 16.6 10

IMO, if you remove them, you could be ready for a cert-vote.
Impressive work.


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At Tue Dec 10 23:15:03 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Bleeding edges have been resolved

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At Wed Dec 11 17:50:05 2013, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Noticed some small leaks in the upper pegholes. They are now fixed

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At Wed Dec 11 22:00:42 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Thu Dec 12 08:50:04 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: certify
Comments:
Excellent! looking really good now.

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At Thu Dec 12 09:05:04 2013, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
should we count the frontal one as a 3rd peghole and adjust the title?

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At Sun Feb 9 01:40:03 2014, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: DoomTay
Comments:
Should probably count the bottom as well.

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At Sun Feb 9 11:30:06 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: mikeheide
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Sun Feb 9 12:55:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Sun Feb 9 14:25:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: certify
Comments:
OK

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At Mon Feb 10 00:15:03 2014, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: certify
Comments:
A very good job indeed.


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