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0 Minifig Scooter with Rider
0 Name: 15396c02.dat
0 Author: Philippe Hurbain [Philo]
0 !LDRAW_ORG Unofficial_Shortcut
0 !LICENSE Redistributable under CCAL version 2.0 : see CAreadme.txt

0 BFC CERTIFY CCW

0 !CATEGORY Vehicle

Status:
Certified! (ACCCCX)
Size: 1375 bytes

Reviewers' certifications:

MagFors=certify
Philo=certify
Steffen=certify
arezey=certify
cwdee=certify

Required (unofficial) subfiles:

parts/15396.dat

Minifig Scooter Body

Certified! (ACCCX)

Events

parts/3818.dat

Minifig Arm Right

Certified! (ACCF)

Events

Related (unofficial) files:
(none)

File reviews and updates:

At Thu Nov 17 14:25:01 2016, the file was initially submitted.
Submitted by: Philo
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At Mon Nov 21 21:45:01 2016, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: novote
Comments:
Physical Colour Shortcut?

How often do you drive a scooter with the stand in a down position?

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At Tue Nov 22 07:50:00 2016, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: novote
Comments:
As this assembly is not produced as such by LEGO, definitely not a physical color shortcut. Rather an example of placement.

Yeah, stand is down (the driver is absent minded and forgot it ;) - if it really bothers you I can inline the scooter and lift the stand...

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At Tue Nov 22 08:15:01 2016, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: Philo
Comments:
Stupid me - the scooter was already inlined. Lifted stand.

Existing certification-votes were deleted.
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At Tue Nov 22 22:55:00 2016, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Sat Nov 26 11:10:01 2016, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
I would prefer if the scooter was color 16,
like here
http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/30187c03.dat
http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/4719c02.dat

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At Sat Mar 4 22:15:00 2017, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MMR1988
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Sat Jan 27 19:15:00 2018, a new version of the file was submitted.
Submitted by: Steffen
Comments:
made scooter color 16
to make this file analogous to
http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/4719c02.dat

Existing certification-votes were deleted.
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At Sat Jan 27 19:50:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: certify
Comments:
Yes, you're right...

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At Sat Jan 27 20:20:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
this also looks beautiful and consistent now:

http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptpatterns.cgi?c=15396

http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptpatterns.cgi?c=4719

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At Tue Mar 6 21:25:01 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Sat Apr 7 13:50:01 2018 a Parts Tracker Admin edited the header.
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At Fri Apr 13 18:00:01 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
bump

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At Fri Apr 13 21:20:01 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: novote
Comments:
This shortcut is useful as a template or helper, but is not something that is delivered as an assembly by LEGO. Maybe we need a qualifier on the LDRAW_ORG line:
0 !LDRAW_ORG [Unofficial]_Shortcut Helper

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At Sat Apr 14 06:35:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
I think everybody easily can see that.
I would find it overkill to introduce a special syntax element for that.
Think of the 12v train track shortcuts.
Of course they don't come in assembled form in the set box, but the shortcuts are extremely useful for train layout software like BlueBrick.

I think that the term "shortcut" already fully expresses what it is:
a convenient assembly of parts,
which helps/eases your building.

Note that we did not name the shortcuts
"!LDRAW_ORG Official_Assemblies_That_Come_This_way_by_TLG_in_a_Set"


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At Sat Apr 14 08:20:01 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Philo
Certification: certify
Comments:
I agree with Steffen, probably overkill to make this distinction.

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At Sat Apr 14 08:30:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: novote
Comments:
I don't really like "Helper" because it seems to me as word cruft. It's like "thing" and "gizmo" and we don't use those either. I think we're currently using "Shortcut" for things that aren't really shortcuts. I'd rather see assemblies given their own proper part type instead of changing these which IMO are real shortcuts here.

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At Sat Apr 14 10:55:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: MagFors
Certification: certify
Comments:
I agree with Chris and Santeri.
The misuse of the Shortcut is widespread.

Adding two parts in a shortcut, like a rim+tyre, is not a difficult assembly that should be handled in the library.
OTOH, there is a need to show what tyre and rim that fit together. But should we really create a bunch of shortcuts
everytime a new tyre is release by LEGO?
We have a number of, IMHO, usless shortcuts. Whats the point of having a compressed shock absorber in the library?
Why should we have shortcuts to easy the use of parts in a specific software? What is the difference between a
shortcut and a templete?

This assembly is a good one to have. The correct positioning of a rider on the scooter is not easy.

I think we need something like this:
Templete.
Shortcut.
Part assembly.
But how are they defined?

The Minifig Chain 6L is another good example.
One file is a formed chain to be used in as a shortcut, in a model, exactly 6L long.
The other is a straght chain extended to is maximum length, to be used in a build instruction.
I see no reason to shorten the 16/17 long chains, unless the chain is given a caternary shape.

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At Sat Apr 14 18:05:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
I again disagree. My thoughts:
- having a wheel+tyre assembly is most useful when doing animations.
- having to dig out the fitting tyre for a wheel is tedious when building. having such a shortcut available is nice.
- the library anyway is cluttered with moved-to's and things, I cannot see a reason to drop the shortcuts. they are useful and don't hurt. if you don't like them - don't use them

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At Sat Apr 14 19:00:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
let's discuss in the forum instead.

I will copy the posts above to there :)

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At Sat Apr 14 19:00:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: novote
Comments:
here is the forum thread:

https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-22798.html

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At Sat Apr 14 19:05:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: Steffen
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Tue Apr 17 12:45:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: arezey
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.

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At Tue Apr 24 20:20:00 2018, the following review was posted:

Reviewer: cwdee
Certification: certify
No comments were posted with this review.


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